Hotmail users, beware..

June 23rd, 2005

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+pushes+spam-filtering+technology/2100-7355_3-5758365.html?tag=nefd.top?headline=Microsoft~pushes~spam-filtering~technology

What does this mean?

It means that if you’re not using Microsoft’s belief of what should be “the standard” (and very few others believe the same), any emails you send to a hotmail address will be tagged and bagged as “spam”, period.

What does this mean for hotmail users?

You’ll have to dig through your spam folders for emails from your best friend, your mother, your cousin - even, potentially, your boss, if they don’t use either Hotmail, or some other Microsoft mail service.

I think MS believes that there’s enough hotmail users that everyone in the world will be forced to use their “standard”. Which, by the way, isn’t open or necessarily “free”.

Anyone need gmail invites? I’ve got a couple hundred.

20 Responses to “Hotmail users, beware..”

phule77

June 23rd, 2005 - 2:13 pm

I will take a gmail invite. I thought I had one, but apparently not.

purplepixie1115

June 23rd, 2005 - 3:06 pm

What exactly is gmail and how does it work?

blkdragon

June 23rd, 2005 - 3:17 pm

Well, since I only use my hotmail account to sign up for things which I think will send me spam so it doesn’t affect me. I do feel sorry for the poor schmucks who use hotmail as a legitimate email address, however.

tsal

June 23rd, 2005 - 3:22 pm

it’s email from google.com.

It’s free, and has a HUGE amount of storage space.. The theory is, you don’t ever have to delete email again.

The killer part of it is being able to search your email with Google.

Instead of folders, it uses what’s called “labels” so you can label emails with whatever you want, and then look see all emails with that label.

Instead of deleting an email, you “archive” it, and it will stop showing up in your inbox.

You CAN delete emails, still, it’s just not necessary with the amount of storage space you get.

Want an invite?

tsal

June 23rd, 2005 - 3:22 pm

you might’ve been sent one, but for quite a while, yahoo was literally automatically labelling gmail invites as spam - and it wasn’t because people were reporting them as such.

purplepixie1115

June 23rd, 2005 - 3:33 pm

Sure, I’ll try it and if I don’t like it I just won’t use it! :-D

tsal

June 23rd, 2005 - 4:29 pm

well.. i don’t have an email address for you..

also, were you able to get in touch w/ patrick about the subject we need to talk about?

purplepixie1115

June 23rd, 2005 - 4:54 pm

purplepixieprincess1115@yahoo.com

And he never called me back to let me know one way or another. I’ll holla at him agin this evening and call ya’ll later!

franseca

June 23rd, 2005 - 10:54 pm

gmail is the best — yeah, I only use my hotmail for websites I think will probably spam me anyway. I love my gmail! and I’ve got a couplea hundered invites to give out m’self, hehe. :-)

funkbunny

June 23rd, 2005 - 11:40 pm

I’ve been avoiding gmail invites like crazy … but send me one anyway. I think I’m game now.

sorn

June 24th, 2005 - 7:21 am

I do.. My hotmail account is way spammed. Time to bury it. seed an invite to coreys@houston.rr.com please.

pktekguy

June 24th, 2005 - 11:25 am

spam detectors piss me off anyway
in any detection system there are ALWAYS false positives and false negatives.

And don’t get me started on the fact Outlook won’t LET YOU save a .zip that is RIGHT THERE IN THE MESSAGE!

I am SO glad they know what I want more than I do.

That reminds me … I should set up the mail server I wrote

tsal

June 24th, 2005 - 2:58 pm

you can turn that off by lowering the security level or specifically unchecking the “prevent opening of dangerous attachments” option. :)
but yes, most spam filters get false positives and negatives, which is why here we use Bayesian learning, along with “NOTSPAM” and “SPAM” folders to “teach” the filters.

Haven’t had a false positive since I installed this setup, and every day the numbers missed decrease dramatically.

The downside? If someone in the office decides they don’t want email from a client anymore, and starts dumping them in the “SPAM” folder, it will “learn” that person, eventually. However, it’s far easier to “unlearn” an address than it is to “learn” one. The system goes by content first, then address.

tsal

June 24th, 2005 - 2:59 pm

do you still use the same yahoo address?

pktekguy

June 24th, 2005 - 3:35 pm

with regualar office-version outlook, you CAN’T change that. You can if you have an Excange server behind it, but otherwise… you’r fucked.

And I tried to send something to my home account from work and my ISP bounced it saying they didn’t accept .zips

WTF, mate?

tsal

June 24th, 2005 - 3:37 pm

you sure? I’m running outlook 2003, and no exchange server, and have turned it off.. hmm.

mayhaps your domain admins have set it as a domain-wide policy?

tsal

June 24th, 2005 - 3:40 pm

as to the silliness of your ISP, get a new one or complain. they’re being retarded. SCAN the zip files, and pass them on if they don’t flag as a virus.

sheesh, it’s not like there’s no free software out there for scanning incoming mail before passing it on to the mailbox.

heck, they can even spend 800 bucks on a simple little linux box dedicated to scanning incoming emails, and not have to worry about changing their current mail setup, other than putting the linux box in front of it.

pktekguy

June 24th, 2005 - 4:42 pm

this is home…
and I only have 2002 installed … how did that happen? oh well. Doesn’t matter if my ISP blocks zips

pktekguy

June 24th, 2005 - 4:46 pm

i just rename my stuff

funkbunny

June 24th, 2005 - 4:53 pm

yeah, but send it to funkbunny @ livejournal . com … I tend to not check the SPAM folder on my Yahoo account. Nor do I check it daily. :)

THanks!

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