musings of wrath

okay fuck this.

I’m sick and tired of being in between friends on this cam shit. i’m sick and tired of watching GOOD people getting shit on by OTHER good people who seem to have FORGOTTEN they were good for a minute or two.

GROW UP, EVERYONE.

ITS A FUCKING GAME.

YOU’RE HURTING PEOPLE OVER A FUCKING GAME.

let me say that again..

YOU’RE FUCKING HURTING PEOPLE… OVER A .. FUCKING.. GAME…

COME ON, PEOPLE.

WHAT THE FUCK?!

I’m an asshole. I know that. When I have a problem with someone, I TELL them. This is what MAKES me an asshole. But I DON’T give up on them, and continue hurting them and saying spiteful angry shit about them behind their backs. I try and try until I reach a point that I can’t stand them anymore…

EVEN THEN, I will eventually come back and try again.

and BY THE WAY.. LJ friends talk. People DO know what you say behind their backs, unless you mark it “Private”.

(and in case you’re wondering, everyone that’s on any friends list of mine can see this.. I just didn’t want some poor schmuck that doesn’t know me to have to see this.)

Thanks.

Really.. thanks.

I could rant on, but when it comes down to it, it’s a game and I’m just here to try to help out.

Sweetheart, this is half of why I left the org, and I’m really disappointed in some of my friends for not realizing how childish they’re being over it.

But hey, whatever. How grown up can I expect you to be when you still play dress up and pretend almost every weekend? ;P

you rule, michael.

Interesting considering it was Private.

There is an old saying. “Do not say anything you do not want heard.” Something was said. It was meant to be heard, just not by all the people who did. Someone violated exactly what you mentioned here. It was private, it was not kept so by someone who wanted to escalate the situation. We’ll see where that goes.

However, there is also an old saying “You can make any choice in life you wish, you simply have to live with the consequences of your actions.” If a person continues to make the same choice over and over again, and that choice is openly hurtful to others and damaging to the GAME then when they are openly, or privately brought to task for that choice, they have NO one to blame but themself. That is the case of why the post was made in the first place.

Check the info on my info page, Mike. I specifically state that if you cant and wont keep your mouth shut on things I say then tell me cause you aint getting on. Did I make a mistake in adding you? Go back and read some of my past entries.. they are deeply personal and theres a reason even some of my friends are not on the list.

You know what, I’ve done nothing but try to help this club. Sometimes I’ve had to be the bad guy, other times I have been the good guy. However, I have never done anything to harm the game or be malicious to either of you.

In the end, it doesnt much matter what negative thoughts people have about me, as I have a job to do. As does every other officer in the club. Spewing negativity and spreading rumors doesnt help the club any more than what people claim I do. Anyone who really knows me, or has taken the time to get to know me would know better.

What’s worse is a couple of months ago, I apologized to her and tried to mend any problems we’ve had. Like I’ve done with other members in the club, so I can try to grow some as a person. I had thought things were well. When I heard about the post. I guess people will do unto others as they think was done to them, whether or not it’s true.

Sorry mike, for bringing this here. Feel free to delete this post if you dont want this here. I respect you. =)

Matt, I love you, I love Cat, but it was not Private. Private is when no one but Cat can read it. It was marked Friends, which means that people heard it, which means that whatever the intention or implication, it was naïve to expect that it wouldn’t get back to the person it was about eventually.

If you want to debate this, and maybe put the effort into finding out the cause, then do so in my LJ. Not someone elses.

A Friends post is private. It is meant for the eyes of those included. Public is when you post it on Cam-OOC or in an unlocked entry that the entire world can read. This is supposedly understood when you add someone as a Friend.

I post a lot of things behind Friends locks… they are for those Friends, not public consumption. I know you do the same thing. I doubt you’d want every one of your Friends post made Public. If you did you wouldn’t put them that way.

The same holds true for all of us.

I would, but you have your LJ friends locked for posts. Perhaps in Email, AIM or IRC?

I did that to prevent vindicitive flame wars from disgruntled players that I saw in the LJs of many other STs.

There… problem solved.

Matt, I know that, and you know that, but the point is that there are people out there who aren’t going to follow that guidline.

I recently posted something *extremely* personal in my LJ, and debated it quite a bit (I actually yanked it to private, put it under my “director’s cut” filter, then decided that frankly, anyone who bothers poking around could find out so screw it). I hope that the people on my friends list would be considerate enough not to share it beyond my friends list, but I also know they probably will. If Cat weren’t on my flist, would you really not tell her what I said?

I’m not trying to justify it, I’m just saying you can’t expect to post something that inflamatory and not have someone tell some who’ll tell someone else, on and on til it gets to some it shouldn’t.

If Cat weren’t on my flist, would you really not tell her what I said?

If it’s the one I think… I never mentioned it to Cat, nor would I. There are things I feel comfortable discussing with her and things I do not. The personal life of my friends falls in the NOT category. It’s mostly a moot point though, I realize, as there are very few people on my list that are not on Cat’s. But no… I never mentioned it to her. Had no reason to, nor would I have. But that’s me.

I’m not trying to justify it, I’m just saying you can’t expect to post something that inflamatory and not have someone tell some who’ll tell someone else, on and on til it gets to some it shouldn’t.

Actually, I’ve done it alot and it never has, but I have a much tighter friends list than Cat does… that will change soon.

Matt, I don’t want to argue with you, especially not on Mike’s LJ. I agree that the violation of trust is wrong. However, I don’t agree that it’s totally unexpected.

All I’m saying is that Cat has a huge f-list, and posted something very high-drama. I’m not saying it’s right that it got out, or that she (or you) has no right to be angry about it, but it isn’t the end of the world. Maybe this is just a sign that more open communication or more introspection is needed instead of a balance between the two that’s hard to maintain in front of that many people. Don’t require everyone on your f-list to agree with you on all points; don’t expect it, either.

“Hi I’m Mike and I made a post about Drama Queens and their need to shut up. Unfortunately, us usual, they just don’t get it.”

Sometimes it’s easier for peeps to bitch and moan about somethign than actually do something….

The problem with this concept is that i this organization action=consequence is never the norm it seems that action=consequence=appeal=reversal of consequence=bitching privately=public humiliation.

The problem ahs been around for as long as i can remember, and a large part of it is the current lack of fear the membership holds for reprocussions, in short this is the cam nothing is private. Sad but true.

sad truth is, after so long of watching the wrong people get the jobs for the wrong reasons and being slammed down when you try to change that, you get complacant and tired of trying.. Only occasionally when someone truly wrong for a job comes up does that stir the apathetic masses.

Billy, I didn’t mention you, or anyone else’s name for a reason.

As a matter of fact, I’ve not seen anything in your LJ in a while, as I don’t read LJ very often.

This wasn’t directed at anything you’ve posted on your LJ.

bleah.

point taken.

i don’t have a problem with bitching and moaning.

i don’t have a problem with posting privately how much you hate someone.

what i do have a problem with is:

a) Someone telling me they won’t be my friend if I’m someone else’s friend.
b) Someone telling me how horrible someone else is without first finding out if I WANT to hear it.

This post was made out of an immense amount of frustration.

It wasn’t targetted at anyone (as *several* have taken it), and it wasn’t about anyone in particular. What it was about is this:

If the reason why you’re angry with someone is directly related to a *game*, and not them away from that activity, is it really wise to judge them as a bad person because of it? I mean, what does that mean about the weight you put behind a game in your life choices?

Not liking someone is fine. Your choice. Bitching and complaining about them in your journal are okay, too. But doing something that you KNOW will hurt them? That’s a problem. It makes me reconsider whom I call “friends”.

What’s next? Only hanging out with people who have the right member class?

Some are assuming this has to do with cat’s LJ - it does and it doesn’t. It’s more that it was the notorious “straw”. And it wasn’t even her post - it was someone’s comments on that LJ, and the subsequent feelings that were hurt when someone leaked the post’s information out.

I don’t agree with talking about someone behind their back if you’ve not talked with them face to face about it. If I have a bitch about someone, you can be assured they’ve heard about it before any of my friends have. And you know what? Half the time, it ends with the “target” - the problem gets resolved.